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CarrieG wrote:

Those of you who are having performance issues, can you please report back on two things (apologies if they're obvious or if you've already done it).

 

1. Does your performance improve after a reboot?

2. Does your performance improve after this fix: http://forums.warhammeronline.com/warhammer/board/message?board.id=bug_mac&view=by_date_ascending&message.id=257#M257

 

If those two things do not resolve your performance, please make sure to indicate your specs here.

 

For that matter if one or both DO resolve your performance issues, that would be helpful to know as well.

 

Thanks!

-Carrie

Message Edited by CarrieG on 08-07-2009 02:10 PM

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I noticed a slight performance increase, though not too significant.  The change was about 7 - 9 fps increase.  I did notice a hug increase when running in windowed mode one resolution lower than my screens native res.  That was posted somewhere else in this forum. 

I've been oh so patiently waiting for this game since last summer. Thank you Mythic for satisfying us Mac gamers!!

Now, I'm running on the mid/late 2007 aluminum iMac 24" screen 2.4 Core 2 Duo processor with Radeon 2600 graphics and 4GB RAM. I downloaded the trial the day after it was released. Initially it was a little rough, and unplayable in cities. Now, was there an update i missed? Between that possibility, and the fact I recently installed the 4GB of RAM from the initial factory install of 1GB, the game runs quite smooth, even on highest settings. Cities can still be a little choppy, but are completely playable. Is there a framerate tracker in-game I can use or download that anyone knows of? I would be interested to see the performance in numbers.

Overall I am very pleased. Enough so to cancel my WoW account and buy the retail copy to keep playing. Keep up the good work Mythic!

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emozolik wrote:

I've been oh so patiently waiting for this game since last summer. Thank you Mythic for satisfying us Mac gamers!!

 

Now, I'm running on the mid/late 2007 aluminum iMac 24" screen 2.4 Core 2 Duo processor with Radeon 2600 graphics and 4GB RAM. I downloaded the trial the day after it was released. Initially it was a little rough, and unplayable in cities. Now, was there an update i missed? Between that possibility, and the fact I recently installed the 4GB of RAM from the initial factory install of 1GB, the game runs quite smooth, even on highest settings. Cities can still be a little choppy, but are completely playable. Is there a framerate tracker in-game I can use or download that anyone knows of? I would be interested to see the performance in numbers.

Overall I am very pleased. Enough so to cancel my WoW account and buy the retail copy to keep playing. Keep up the good work Mythic!

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Yes..

see:: http://forums.warhammeronline.com/warhammer/board/message?board.id=bug_mac&message.id=459&query.id=13988#M459

Though personally myself I am using addons .. Warboard + the FPS sub-addon for warboard.. 

Got my new Macbook Pro 15" - 3.06 Ghz - 8GB 1067 Mhz DDR3 - GeForce 9600M GT (512 MB) - 256GB SSD

Fastest Framerate

Resolution 1920 x 1200 on external monitor 

(Incidentally, you have to change system preferences to better graphics, else the 'other' video card GeForce 9400M (256 MB) runs the graphics, for those with newish Macbook Pro) 

Tested yesterday and saw framerates as follows:

Chrace - solo PVE :  25-30 

Tier 4 ORVR :  18-25

Fort Capture :   8-14

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EricG wrote:
I'm finding playing in "windowed" mode at the next lowest setting from my current actual screen resolution seems to yield decent performance.  Though I really do prefer to play fullscreen.. I can live with this for the time being.

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I'm going to try this today and see how performance improves. 

I'm new to WAR and my first look at the game was via the mac client. It's a very charming game and I want to continue playing it (moving from the biggest mmo, subs cancelled for the first time after all these years).

However, I want to play on EU server and the beta for MAC is not out there yet so  I installed bootcamp and got the EU trial. There's a huge performance difference (had nothing to compare it to before, except other games). The game plays really well in windows and I'm not sure I want the MAC version when it's availible in the EU now. I would much prefer to play using the MAC OS, but I don't think it's good enough atm. I would have suggested to make a MAC version of the game rather then this solution, maybe something to think about in the future

I bought the full game for US but I guess there's no way to transfer it to EU, right?

Again, thanks for making an effort for MAC users !!!

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Zimatroll wrote:

I'm new to WAR and my first look at the game was via the mac client. It's a very charming game and I want to continue playing it (moving from the biggest mmo, subs cancelled for the first time after all these years).

 

However, I want to play on EU server and the beta for MAC is not out there yet so  I installed bootcamp and got the EU trial. There's a huge performance difference (had nothing to compare it to before, except other games). The game plays really well in windows and I'm not sure I want the MAC version when it's availible in the EU now. I would much prefer to play using the MAC OS, but I don't think it's good enough atm. I would have suggested to make a MAC version of the game rather then this solution, maybe something to think about in the future

 

I bought the full game for US but I guess there's no way to transfer it to EU, right?

 

Again, thanks for making an effort for MAC users !!!

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The mac client is still in "beta" and as such .. its not going to perform at its best until it goes live.. so expect some warts until it does.. lol..

Yeah the bootcamp play is going to be better right now .. and if you don't mind rebooting your mac .. then thats probably your best option (I played MMO's for a few years like that .. with my iMac and prior to that a Linux system) ..  But for me .. I would gladly trade off some performance and high quality graphics to just be done with the whole dual booting thing .. after a few years.. you do get tired of it .. 

@EricG

haha, yeah, I'm already fed up starring at windows os all day long at work...oh well, might try the eu beta later if the us one's a success

I've been running WAR on 2 different Macs, neither of which is especially a performance monster. On my iMac I find that WAR runs acceptably, on my Macbook Pro it does not.

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iMac 7,1

ATI Radeon 2600 HD, 256 MB

2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Duo

4MB DDR2 RAM

I play at 1344x840 in windowed mode mostly. Outdoor in PvE areas with very little activity on screen (maybe 1 or 2 critters at most) I get up to about 70 FPS. If I'm moving in that situation the FPS is likely to stay around 50. Active areas like warcamps will drop FPS to the low 30s. In Altdorf I see 24-30 FPS. 22-30 FPS is typical for solo PvE combat too, though FPS is likely to hover around 24 most of the time.

In scenarios I get up to 50 FPS is there are no other players on my screen, 30-40 FPS when there are many players around me, and usually about 24 FPS in combat.

In ORvR my FPS varies a lot depending how many players are involved. With 2 or more warbands inside a keep I get 12-16 FPS (trending towards 14). Graphics get jumpy at that point but are still smooth enough to play and control remains smooth and predictable.

I've seen up to 4 warbands in close proximity and have not seen my FPS drop below 12. Usually 14 is the lowest it goes, with 30 or more being common while not in the thick of a fight. 

If I play fullscreen at 1344x840 my FPS stays about the same, but the game feels choppier and is harder to control in ORvR. There's maybe a 1-2 FPS difference on average (it's not enough that I could be certain without keeping a running average), but it's just enough to make play more annoying.

Fullscreen at 1920x1200 (my iMac's native resolution) drops FPS in scenarios down to 12-16 in combat and makes control difficult at times.

Fullscreen at 1280x800 plays about the same as windowed at 1344x840. Maybe a tiny bit faster or slower, but nothing measurable and my play isn't harmed in any situation. I mostly choose 1344x840 windowed because it's clearer and I prefer my desktop gamma and color over the game's.

1040x768 regularly gets higher FPS than any of the other modes, but the lowest FPS I see at 1344x840 are still tolerable at the frequency with which they occur, the ordinary FPS is high enough to keep me happy.

In a perfect world I'd be able to play at 1920x1200 fullscreen on the fastest frames setting, but using Boot Camp and Vista that was about the  best this machine could manage during keep sieges (it was fine set to "balanced" for scenarios though). The performance is good enough that if the games default settings also dropped resolution to 1344x840 I could be happy with it (better to set the defaults low and then let me play with boosting them a bit rather than setting the too high to start).

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Macbook Pro 2,2 

ATI Radeon X1600, 256 MB

2.33 Intel Core 2 Duo

3GB DDR2 RAM

WAR is only playable at all on this machine at 1024x768. FPS never goes above 30, and even just moving around in an empty zone drops FPS to 18-22. PvE combat plays like keep sieges do on my iMac: 12-16 FPS with generally smooth control, but occasionally enough lag to cause problems.

In scenarios FPS fluctuates between 8 and 16 FPS in combat. The slowdowns are frequent enough to cause control problems and make play frustrating.

oRvR framerates stay in the single digits. The graphics are a slide show and controls are too laggy to really make a contribution.

Overall my Macbook Pro  "feels" a bit worse than my iMac does at 1920x1200. This is with the absolute minimum possible graphic settings. I understand that my MBP is close to the minimums needed for WAR which is the only reason I'm playing the game on it instead of my iMac. WAR needs to gain like 5 FPS at 1024x768 and "fastest frames" to be passable on the MBP.

I'd still pay for the game if I couldn't play on my Macbook, but machines similar to that are still really common. 

For me it's hit and miss, sometimes it runs fine, sometimes it runs fine until it suddenly decides to have a seizure and crash (usually during an intense rvr ), and sometimes it just doesn't want to run right out the gate.

I know this is an annoying thing to say as far as feedback goes, but I mean come on, using what's basically an emulator to run a game this large?

I hope that this is only a temporary solution and we see a native solution for our ever-swelling community of mac users.

But, that being said, awesome game Mythic, thanks for thinking of us

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Zlphuggin wrote:

For me it's hit and miss, sometimes it runs fine, sometimes it runs fine until it suddenly decides to have a seizure and crash (usually during an intense rvr ), and sometimes it just doesn't want to run right out the gate.

 

I know this is an annoying thing to say as far as feedback goes, but I mean come on, using what's basically an emulator to run a game this large?

 

I hope that this is only a temporary solution and we see a native solution for our ever-swelling community of mac users.

 

But, that being said, awesome game Mythic, thanks for thinking of us

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It's not really an emulator .. more like a massive all encompassing set of drivers.. better to think of it that way..

I went back to the 2048 VBO size but I also went under CUSTOM in the video section and decreased the texture cache to lowest "default" {all the way to the left} .. it seems to help so far with the weird hiccup-lag I would get from time to time.. 

So far, very good performance. No lag in cities, RvR, anywhere, and framerate at auto setting has been smooth (enough that I never notice it).

Only a little eyestrain during the first week, thanks to peering at a 13" screen

Screenshots are not saved anywhere I can find them... 

  Model Name: MacBook

  Processor Speed: 2 GHz

  L2 Cache: 3 MB

  Memory: 3 GB

  Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz

 Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 9400M

  VRAM (Total): 256 MB

  Resolution: 1280 x 800 

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Jnunz wrote:
Well for those of us who have the pre-ugraded Macbooks are screwed. I know the Beta will not run on the integrated graphics card, but I wonder if the released version will.

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Not likely .. your pretty much looking at the release version save for mild tweaking .. Warhammer has some heavy graphics requirements your pre-upgraded macbook GPU simply can't provide.

When I first played this beta, my performance was TERRIBLE.  I had chosen the lowest possible resolution and "set for best performance" and these settings didn't seem to help.  I would say my FPS was definitely under 5 during any kind of group PVP: very much a "slideshow" and unplayable.

However, I changed VBOinVRAMthreshold from "384" to "2048" in ~/Library/Preferences/Warhammer Online Preferences/config as suggested in another thread, and then rebooted my computer.

This seems to have fixed the problem.  My performance is now perfectly acceptable.  I can actually turn the camera with no choppiness! 

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I have an early 2008 iMac:

Mac OS X 10.5.8

  Model Name: iMac

  Model Identifier: iMac7,1

  Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo

  Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz

  Number Of Processors: 1

  Total Number Of Cores: 2

  L2 Cache: 4 MB

  Memory: 2 GB

  Bus Speed: 800 MHz

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ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro:

  Chipset Model: ATI,RadeonHD2600

  Type: Display

  Bus: PCIe

  PCIe Lane Width: x16

  VRAM (Total): 256 MB

  Vendor: ATI (0x1002)

  Device ID: 0x9583

  Revision ID: 0x0000

  ROM Revision: 113-B2250F-219

  EFI Driver Version: 01.00.219

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Nhim wrote:

When I first played this beta, my performance was TERRIBLE.  I had chosen the lowest possible resolution and "set for best performance" and these settings didn't seem to help.  I would say my FPS was definitely under 5 during any kind of group PVP: very much a "slideshow" and unplayable.

 

However, I changed VBOinVRAMthreshold from "384" to "2048" in ~/Library/Preferences/Warhammer Online Preferences/config as suggested in another thread, and then rebooted my computer.

 

This seems to have fixed the problem.  My performance is now perfectly acceptable.  I can actually turn the camera with no choppiness! 

 

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I have an early 2008 iMac:

 

Mac OS X 10.5.8

  Model Name: iMac

  Model Identifier: iMac7,1

  Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo

  Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz

  Number Of Processors: 1

  Total Number Of Cores: 2

  L2 Cache: 4 MB

  Memory: 2 GB

  Bus Speed: 800 MHz

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ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro:

 

  Chipset Model: ATI,RadeonHD2600

  Type: Display

  Bus: PCIe

  PCIe Lane Width: x16

  VRAM (Total): 256 MB

  Vendor: ATI (0x1002)

  Device ID: 0x9583

  Revision ID: 0x0000

  ROM Revision: 113-B2250F-219

  EFI Driver Version: 01.00.219

 

 

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I'd also like you to try going into the CUSTOMIZE video section and set your texture cache to "default" or all the way to the left .. when I did that I stopped getting that weird hiccup-lagging when crossing into a new map zone or when I moved into a new area with a lot of objects etc.... see if when you try that how your performance is .. When I checked mine it was in the middle of the slider.. moving it all the way to the left seemed to help (in addition to the VBO tweak) ..

Hi guys,

I wanted to give an update for you all on performance and 1.3.1. Sorry for the delay in this message, as I was out of the office on a business trip for the past week+.

I indicated in a previous thread that we were working on some performance enhancements for 1.3.1. This is true, and it was to affect all versions, but I think had particularly wonderful results on the Mac, especially for those of you with Nvidia graphics cards. Some of you even verified seeing much improved performance on the public test server. As we approached the 1.3.1 launch, we were unable to resolve some of the bugs that were a side effect of these changes, bugs that were too severe to ignore, so we did not put up the fixes with 1.3.1, but instead sent them back into iteration and testing.

We are continuing to work on these improvements with the utmost priority, and I hope to see them reach the live client sooner rather than later, but we want to thoroughly test these changes first.

These fixes combined with the Snow Leopard update, I hope, are the silver bullet to get all of you who meet the minimum specs to a comfortable place playing on your Mac, so you can delete your partitions once and for all. I hope to have an update/good news for you soon about where we are with those changes and what version you can expect them in, but for now, know that we are doing everything we can to get them working properly.

Thanks for all the testing you've done so far, please keep up the good work!

-Carrie

Thanks for the update Carrie .. it would certianly explain why we didn't see much if any change..

Pending those updates I am still experimenting .. (if I can get atleast 20fps im happy .. its when it dips below that it gets problematic) .. 

I look forward to those changes and I can certainly understand your holding off till its working correctly.. no one likes to bit into a half baked cookie ..    {unless you like that sorta thing.. lol }

Thanks for keeping us posted with whats going on .. 

Carrie .. if the Mythic/Transgamming devs have any settings suggestions for us to try in the interim it would be helpful (until the official changes are out and snow leopard is out of the gate as well) ..

They have inside knowledge of how things are working and might save us some unnecessary head-wall butting / Face-palming  in the interim ..  

Any tweaks they can suggest would be VERY APPRECIATED to us .. thanks again.. 

If it makes anyone feel better, I just ordered myself my first MacBook Pro after seeing the latest rev of the performance improvements. =) We still have a few more kinks to work out, but the team is working hard on getting those bugs addressed asap. 

See you online. 

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JeffS wrote:

If it makes anyone feel better, I just ordered myself my first MacBook Pro after seeing the latest rev of the performance improvements. =) We still have a few more kinks to work out, but the team is working hard on getting those bugs addressed asap. 

 

See you online. 

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Yeah!!!!  

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EricG wrote:

Carrie .. if the Mythic/Transgamming devs have any settings suggestions for us to try in the interim it would be helpful (until the official changes are out and snow leopard is out of the gate as well) ..

 

They have inside knowledge of how things are working and might save us some unnecessary head-wall butting / Face-palming  in the interim ..  

 

Any tweaks they can suggest would be VERY APPRECIATED to us .. thanks again.. 

Message Edited by EricG on 08-27-2009 01:13 PM

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I wish we did. You can be assured that if the problems were resolved by settings, that the magical GavrielS you've seen post a few times would be in here to help. (He's TG's CEO).

The major issue with lag on the Mac, in particular with Nvidia cards, has to do with the way in which Warhammer handles textures. The fix is a pretty massive improvement to the system that we've been working on and testing for more than a few months. (Which improves the client on all machines, incidentally) Because of the severity of the fix and the number of systems it touches, we really want to be sure we're confident with our testing before we push it live. And it also means there aren't many more low-hanging fruit, quick fixes, that will improve your experience until then.

For now, your best experience is after a clean shutdown and restart, a full file check, windowed mode, modified VBO, and on an ATI card.