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1.   I can confirm changes to flawless armor. 05-02-2009 11:53 PM
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Ok as alot of people suspected there has been recent stealth changes to the "flawless armor" tactic. I was curious and decided to bust this myth. Heres the long and short of it....

 

I tested this out on a: Level 36 Griffon Deadeye, completely unbuffed, un aura'd.

 

Test 1

 

With my first set of gear i was statted as follows:

 

Wounds: 822

Tough: 572

Initiative: 160 (21.9 chance to be critically hit)

I used NO tactics, NO aura, NO shield.

I unequiped my old live event jewelry with 2% crit reduction on it and found something interesting - i'll go into it later.

 

My combat parser reported back that over 100hits i was crit 22% of the time.

 

Test 2

 

Second set of gear statted as follows:

 

Wounds: 763

Tough: 520

Initiative: 300(11.7 chance to be crit)

With my 2% crit reduction jewelry unequipped.

No auras no buffs, no tactics.

 

Report: I was crit 11% of the time over 100 hits.

 

Test 3

 

Back to the first set of gear, except this time i used flawless armor. While equiping flawless armor i noticed (right after the sword swinging sound that marks a tactic swap) my 'to be crit' chance under initiative was reduced by 1%. Where usually it never changed.

 

On with the test....

 

Suprise suprise, my parser actually reported back that i was crit 12% for the 100 hits i took. WOW

 

Test 4

 

Earlier i mentioned my crit reduction jewelry was interesting? Well if you have any of this jewelry or gear go ahead and re-equip it and see that now under initiative if your jewelry says 2%, the chance to be crit will actually be reduced by 2%.

 

So i lobbed on this jewelry and went with my second set of gear leaving me with a nice little 9.0% chance to be crit (according tothe initiative tooltip) then apply flawless armor which reduced it to 8% and started the test.

 

I was not crit once over the 100 attacks.

 

Summary

 

Flawless armor is reporting that it's reducing your chance to be crit by 1%(while the tooltip says 10%) but its actually reducing it by 10%, before it was multiplicative meaning it reduced your chance to be crit by 10% OF your CURRENT chance to be crit. Jewelry with the stat, reduced chance to be crit is now reporting itself under the initiative stat also. So now say hello to your new best tactic and start stacking your toughness/wounds.

 
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2.   Re: I can confirm changes to flawless armor. 05-02-2009 11:57 PM
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so it works according to the tool tip but does not display correctly in the UI
 

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3.   Re: I can confirm changes to flawless armor. 05-03-2009 12:09 AM
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Correct, it displays as -1% in the UI.
 
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4.   Re: I can confirm changes to flawless armor. 05-03-2009 12:21 AM
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Can also confirm it works now, similar testing done prior to the fix (with tactic on/off) and after (with tactic on/off). I'm pretty positive it's fixt. Thanks, devs!
 

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5.   Re: I can confirm changes to flawless armor.   [ Edited ] 05-03-2009 12:23 AM
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Great. Now is it worth using over rugged for pvp, or mixed defense for pve?
Message Edited by Drudgenought on 05-02-2009 09:23 PM

 

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6.   Re: I can confirm changes to flawless armor. 05-03-2009 12:25 AM
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why not use all 4 for pve
 

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7.   Re: I can confirm changes to flawless armor. 05-03-2009 12:28 AM
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Drudgenought,

The tactic setup I run with is Mixed, Flawless, Rugged and Warped Flesh when I want to be a wall of steel. Warped Flesh can be thrown out the window for other tactics if you prefer. Rugged is useless near/at the soft cap, too. I run them both in RvR and PvE though I switch out WF for Menace when I'm main tanking dungeons.


 

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8.   Re: I can confirm changes to flawless armor. 05-03-2009 12:28 AM
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I used it over warped flesh(i know) for pvp and over embrace the winds for pve. Dont think i'll ever drop mixed def or rugged.
 
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9.   Re: I can confirm changes to flawless armor. 05-03-2009 05:11 AM
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rugged for dungeon bosses????  did I miss something?

 

 

I run about 400 toughness in PvE dungeons.. on a 4k hit, decreasing the dps by 200 means very little compared to having the wounds to take 2 of those hits ina row and living.

 

I have run Menace, Mixed Def, and Crippling Strikes. mixing in flawless or other as situation dictates, but nere equped Rugged for Pve.

 

??


 

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10.   Re: I can confirm changes to flawless armor. 05-03-2009 05:23 AM
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Hey guys my sub is up at the end of May (3 month) so:

 

even money on flawless armor getting nerfed.  taking bets, even money, try your chances with the chosen wheel of nerfs! 


 

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11.   Re: I can confirm changes to flawless armor. 05-03-2009 07:48 AM
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haha yeh, they'll change it to the -1% that its reporting and fix the tooltip
 
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