Sounds great Adam, realy looking forward to have some more singel target dps insted of demo spam and the change to the mutation arm is a change I been waiting for along time.

Good job, looking forward to test it.

<- cautiously optimistic.

It all depends on the final changes, and whether Mythic has effectively assigned us a unique role in battle. 

With the introduction of Choppa, and their ability to output v. high single target DPS, I'm not convinced the changes outlined will be enough.

Wait and see I suppose!

Gift of Brutality, Monstrosity, and Savagery will all gain specialty bonuses that will help the marauder excel in different situations

wonder what speciality bonuses would be?

The AE changes sound sorta bleh, i guess we are going to be trading one tree for another.  But we'll wait and see i suppose. 

I am defintely stoked to see the proposed changes and detail !

AoE is being adjusted across the board, so its not like they are just making demo spam useless... its being changed i think for all classes (as it should).  Demo spam takes no skill at all, with these changes people will actually have to play their class for once.

Let actual player skill shine through, please.  

Thanks, Adam!

I'm cautiously optimistic about these changes.

Hey Adam!

With the changing of Terrible Embrace from 10s cooldown to 30s cooldown, and with aoe knockback causing players to be immune to it, would you ever consider making it undefendable attack?

I am not level 40 so I am not familiar with it's resist rates, but some players are reporting that it is often resisted.

Also about Terrible Embrace, I don't know if it can be cast on players that are immune to it's effects, but if it can be, have you ever considered making it not fire on immune players?

I rolled marauder because of Terrible Embrace, its the class defining ability as far as MDPS are concerned.

The changes sound great, I am very interested to see what goodies the savagery line has in store.  

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Marauders will also see a number of AoE adjustments including, but not limited to, the following:



Many AoE abilities have had their effective radius reduced, returning their radius to pre-1.2.1 patch values.


A number of conical-area-of-effect melee abilities have been adjusted to a new standard melee CAoE. Range has been reduced but the arc of effect has been greatly increased. This will allow the character to more easily lash out at nearby targets without granting the career excessive range.


A number of AoE abilities have been reduced in effectiveness through reductions in damage, or increase in AP cost/cooldown.

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AdamG wrote:

 

• Bonus damage from Strength will now have a much greater effect on abilities with high base damage, but a reduced effect on abilities with low base damage.

 

• Numerous positional and situational abilities have had their effects greatly increased.

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When 1.3 makes it to live PTS, you guys will see just how crazy these two are; its AWESOME.

My responses are in dark blue.

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AdamG wrote:
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MDPS careers will gain some additional focus in 1.3, revolving around the relationship between direct damage, situational damage, and area-of-effect damage. While many of the more potent AoE abilities have been reduced, many of the situational damage and direct damage abilities have been improved. This should greatly improve the MDPS careers' ability to rapidly overcome a single target when they set themselves up properly. (Emphasis Mine)

 

 Adam, how would you define "properly"?   My understanding and seemingly that of many other marauders, is that MDPS classes need enough offensive "umph" to both a.) outdamage (ie, do more damage in a fixed amount of time than) tanks and b.) outdamage DPS healers and c.) outdamage a RDPS once we close to melee range.  Currently, Marauders can do none of these things. What does Mythic define as a "proper" way to bring down a foe?  Maybe a clearer definition of what we're supposed to be doing would help, since everything else we've tried has made us the laughingstock of all Destro classes.

 

Marauders continue to be the focus of adjustments based on overall DPS output and utility. Below is a list of some of the items included in 1.3.

 

• Bonus damage from Strength will now have a much greater effect on abilities with high base damage, but a reduced effect on abilities with low base damage.  So you're fixing Impale?  Cuz that would be GREAT!

 

• Gift of Brutality, Monstrosity, and Savagery will all gain specialty bonuses that will help the marauder excel in different situations.  A unique shtick that makes us more than 30s pullbots would be GREAT!

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• Numerous positional and situational abilities have had their effects greatly increased. So you're fixing Impale???  Cuz that would be GREAT! Especially if it added a 5 second silence on a 10 second cooldown.  We could actually kill a healer!

 

• We have adjusted or improved the effect of some underused Tactics, such as Rend Asunder.   Some?  Ok, ok, it's a start I'll grant you that and we appreciate it.  But just FYI- we really only use about 5-6 of our tactics.

 

• "Barb" abilities will now once again gain a small amount of bonus damage from stats.   So you're un-nerfing us?  Great!

 

Marauders will also see a number of AoE adjustments including, but not limited to, the following:

 

<snip>  These changes are welcome and needed.  I was never satisfied being a demo spammer but it seemed to be the only thing that actually allowed us to be semi-useful in RvR. 

 

Finally, we are investigating the following items that will potentially be added into 1.3 during the PTS phase, or in a patch soon after

 

• Allowing mutations to summon more appropriate weapons for the offhand based on player level and current main hand weapon.  OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
  

 

• Minor ability shuffles between Mastery Paths to better define the role of each path. For example, moving Thunderous Blow to a direct-effect line in exchange for an AoE ability from Brutality or Savagery.  So the abilities will make sense for the trees they're in now?  Great!

 

• Further adjustments to which abilities are restricted based on specific "Gifts."  At last!  At long last!
  

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Final thoughts, briefly:

 I wanted to be the guy who ran straight over my opponent's face and tore him to shreds while taking massive amounts of punishment.  That's what I thought of when I laid on eyes on the marauder in the original trailer and that's what I signed up for.  

I want to be able to switch mutations based on my opponent and the situation on the field, not whether or not I'm doing PvE or RvR.  My tactics should switch with me, just like my hotbars already do.  I should want to change mutations because the abilities with that mutaiton are obviously the ones I need.

I want to be able to annihilate a squishy.  Barring differences in skill level:  If I'm MDPS and you're RDPS, and I get to you, you should lose.   If I ambush you, you should lose.  That's the price you pay for having ranged attacks.  The fact that RDPS has the same damage output as MDPS but can do it AT RANGE is absolute horses***!    How is this even a point of contention?

I want some kind of enhanced CC immunity for MDPS classes only.  That's all.

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Munahif wrote:

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AdamG wrote:

 

• Bonus damage from Strength will now have a much greater effect on abilities with high base damage, but a reduced effect on abilities with low base damage.

 

• Numerous positional and situational abilities have had their effects greatly increased.

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When 1.3 makes it to live PTS, you guys will see just how crazy these two are; its AWESOME.

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If that's true, I'll resub when the PTS goes live again.

Sorry Adam but I am going to have to say if the AoE changes for the marauder go through, I am going to quit this game.  Marauders still don't stand a chance going into the front lines.  On my server I have created so many enemies that I am automatically targeted and focus fired.  I need two healers spamming me to keep me up.  I go in harass/kill a few people then sprint out.  Being AoE specked allows me to do that and survive.  Unless you have made major changes to resistances and toughness bonuses or have given us more armor then we as a class will be come completely useless.  I don't care how good your gear is or how many healers you have if a full group of people focus fire the only visible melee dps they are going to get nuked every time.

I do like the changes you are putting in place and I am glad you are putting forth the effort but as broken as this class is the AoE speck really doesn't need to be changed.  If anything the aoe needs to be buffed a little.  I am very disappointed in these proposed changes.  Please reconsider because I have  little faith that this class will be functional in open rvr.

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Cadan wrote:

AoE is being adjusted across the board, so its not like they are just making demo spam useless... Its being changed I think for all classes (as it should).  Demo spam takes no skill at all, with these changes people will actually have to play their class for once.

 

Let actual player skill shine through, please.  

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Cadan I don't want this to sound like I am bashing you so please don't take offense. 

You are completely wrong  with your analysis of demo spam.  There are some many more skills in the monstro tree then just demolition.  This AoE speck allows a marauder to put pressure on multiple players at the same time.  In turn this allows the other ranged and melee dps to focus on one individual.  It makes the healers have to choose either themselves or their buddies.  You put in a chopper, a marauder and a sorc together you can pretty much take out full groups.  The proposed changes to AoE will completely limit this class.  Look at it from this point of view, we have armor but it means nothing against dots, for our gear we have to socket wounds and strength instead of weapon skill or toughness because the stats on our gear are horrible, with resistance changes we still don't stand a chance getting up close to the healers in open RVR.   

As for skill I go into every SC and I average 200k per sc with 11-15 killing blows with or without healers.  Outside in rvr my little death squad of 5 people can take on anywhere from 10-15 people depending on their group makeup, we have actually wiped a full warband once.  Skill is relative and numbers really don't mean much but with what I do with a broken toon is skill in its self.  The changes to aoe make us meat shields once again.

I am not looking forward to the aoe changes,  I hope they have improved everything else so much that we can insta gib a healer because after that we are crispy critters. 

Some of this looks pretty effin' amazing. Perhaps the Marauder will play as I envisioned him when I rolled him, and I'll feel as though I'm actually contributing to my group's success.

If this is as promising as it seems, I take back my melancholy comments about Mythic being oblivious to class balance needing to come before new content. 

Like the father in Dirty Dancing, "when I'm wrong I say I'm wrong."  [/obscure reference]

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Slaneesh wrote:

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Cadan wrote:

AoE is being adjusted across the board, so its not like they are just making demo spam useless... Its being changed I think for all classes (as it should).  Demo spam takes no skill at all, with these changes people will actually have to play their class for once.

 

Let actual player skill shine through, please.  

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Cadan I don't want this to sound like I am bashing you so please don't take offense. 

 

You are completely wrong  with your analysis of demo spam.  There are some many more skills in the monstro tree then just demolition.  This AoE speck allows a marauder to put pressure on multiple players at the same time.  In turn this allows the other ranged and melee dps to focus on one individual.  It makes the healers have to choose either themselves or their buddies.  You put in a chopper, a marauder and a sorc together you can pretty much take out full groups.  The proposed changes to AoE will completely limit this class.  Look at it from this point of view, we have armor but it means nothing against dots, for our gear we have to socket wounds and strength instead of weapon skill or toughness because the stats on our gear are horrible, with resistance changes we still don't stand a chance getting up close to the healers in open RVR.   

 

As for skill I go into every SC and I average 200k per sc with 11-15 killing blows with or without healers.  Outside in rvr my little death squad of 5 people can take on anywhere from 10-15 people depending on their group makeup, we have actually wiped a full warband once.  Skill is relative and numbers really don't mean much but with what I do with a broken toon is skill in its self.  The changes to aoe make us meat shields once again.

 

I am not looking forward to the aoe changes,  I hope they have improved everything else so much that we can insta gib a healer because after that we are crispy critters. 

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I dont take any offense and I agree with you. I just prefer small scale skirmish or gank groups to ORVR.  If i did alot more orvr i would have to spec monstro, but i just dont enjoy it.  But I just think its hard to show any sort of player skill in ORVR with monstro spec... thats just my opinion.  nothing you have said is wrong, it is just a difference of opinion.

I am not going to lie, i just hate monstrosity spec, and I am sure my bias come through in my posts.

Sounds pretty neat. Though I guess I'll have to get used to targeting people again. Demo spam was just sooo easy. The only thing I wonder is will this possible reduction to the range of our demolition effect our tactic that increases its range.

THANK YOU MYTHIC!!!