And therein dies the only Ironmbreaker group utility spell.

Ironbreakers have only two aoe spells, Earthshatter and Rune-Sketched Axe, which already have high cooldowns and large AP costs. 

So I don't understand what this preview actually previews.

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Below is a list of changes that are currently pending for version 1.3, but will be updated to PTS after the initial launch of the test server.

 

• Bonus damage from Strength will now have a much greater effect on abilities with high base damage, but a reduced effect on abilities with low base damage.

ok sound good , does this change increase the damage for punishing blow?

 

 

• Gromril Plating will be converted to a self-only damage absorb so it is in line with other Morale 3 damage absorb abilities

ok sounds good.

 

• A number of AoE abilities have been reduced in effectiveness through reductions in damage, or increase in AP cost/cooldown.

 reduce the damage, but also reduce the ap/reuse timer. Earth Shatter already has a 20 second reuse timer. which along side it's need for having 100 grudge to really deal damage, i hope it has not been hit hard with the nerf bat

 reduce the damage, but also reduce the ap/reuse timer. Earth Shatter already has a 20 second reuse timer. which along side it's need for having 100 grudge to really deal damage, i hope it has not been hit hard with the nerf bat

Earthshatter is a tank AoE that can hit for 2500.

It needs a nerf, whether you want to admit it or not, despite the cooldown. (Or, at the VERY least, should actually use up the grudge.)

a Tank pbae that is only useable once every 20 seconds =). I would love to see a SS of you being hit for 2500. the highest i ever had with it, was 1300, and that was after hitting someone with armor reduction.

and stick to the WE notes =)

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Benji wrote:

 reduce the damage, but also reduce the ap/reuse timer. Earth Shatter already has a 20 second reuse timer. which along side it's need for having 100 grudge to really deal damage, i hope it has not been hit hard with the nerf bat

 

Earthshatter is a tank AoE that can hit for 2500.

 

It needs a nerf, whether you want to admit it or not, despite the cooldown. (Or, at the VERY least, should actually use up the grudge.)

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Provided you spec into it, have all the right tactics, lose virtually all your survivability for damage output tactics, taunt your target, reduce all its armour to zero, and have your grudge at 100. Oh, and you have to crit.

And even then, I have never hit even remotely near 2,500. 

If you want to cry for a Earthshatter nerf, use some sensible data, don't pull out some extreme number and cry for a nerf.

When you say hit... Do you mean crit?

If that is so then yes I have seen it crit for 2.1k Max... Never a 2.5k crit though

They nerfed IB like this, they nerfed IB like that.. they nerfed IB with a wiffleball bat. So, I'm gonna run... to solitare.

As always, I'll play it before I cry about it. IB have had plenty of nerfs. If my play results are deemed unsatisfactory after this patch... I'm gonna play a dif race/class. I've reluctantly accepted all of the detrimental nerfs to our class... enough is enough though. I've seen Chosen & BG stand in the middle of an order WB with at least 1 or more full groups hacking away at em to no avail. I don't see IB doing this, never have.

As so many people have stated before... they should concentrate on balancing other classes to be as good as the best, not (un) balancing classes to make the good ones as bad as the worst.

"Gromril Plating will be converted to a self-only damage absorb so it is in line with other Morale 3 damage absorb abilities."

I'd like to see you look at this proposed change again.  If you feel the value is out of line, that is one thing.  However, I do not think that it is appropriate to remove a GROUP UTILITY morale and replace it with a self only morale.

We have no whispering winds. We have no KotBs group buffs. We are pretty much the worst group tanks in the game at the moment. I guess we can find solace in the fact that Inspiring Attack is the only buff worth having since oath friend is so horribly gimp now.

I'm just tired of having to look forward to patches that nerf us with no buffs in any areas.

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Testpig wrote:

 

and stick to the WE notes =)

 

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Didnt we tell you the same thing when you were trolling the chosen forum last patch.

Really should practice what you preach

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Naryane wrote:

They nerfed IB like this, they nerfed IB like that.. they nerfed IB with a wiffleball bat. So, I'm gonna run... to solitare.

 

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if you think the nerfs posted here make the IB any less playable.. then perhaps youare just a FOTM ib.

the class is still solid. we just need to see what the Earthshatter changes will be to really see what has changed.

as for gromil plating.. making it self only, is a tad lame. It's a tank ablity, and tanks are meant to support the group. They could have reducted it to 5400 and it would not have been such a major deal.

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Kovaks wrote:

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Testpig wrote:

 

and stick to the WE notes =)

 

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Didnt we tell you the same thing when you were trolling the chosen forum last patch.

 

Really should practice what you preach

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but i was posting facts =) facts that were so true, mythic added a cooldown timer on RB =) so hush.

Gromril Plating should also protect your oathfriend if he's within xx - feets of you,as a tank we are supposed to defend someone else other than ourselves.

And please take into consideration that in order to Earthshatter (critical) hit you for more than 2k,we would have to gimp our survavlity,use 2 armors debuffs on you including our rank1 morale,taun and be at 100 grudge.

The cooldown is fine with me and i can still get my fix every now and then with a choppa or 2 in my group.

I just wouldnt want to see you take it to badly if the nerf bat hits you to hard.

Not that i wont be in here to post "truth" too

just to help you guys get balanced more in line with all the other tanks.

http://img.apexclique.com/files/Wotuznoruk_002.jpg

2500 isnt out of the question really

You're a lvl 37 squishy.... not the same as a geared-out lvl 40.

Yeah a rank 67 IB in Sent/Conq with a 2H Scalebreaker that had 1 lucky crit against a level 37 in mixed Annihilator/greens. If you look at the other hits the 1142, which is more in line for an IB with that gear, is easily absorded and mitigated.

Earthshatter has the potential to provide spike damage, which makes it dangerous. It is not a spammable "I win" attack, however. Jury is out on the "nerf" until we can test it, but reducing the damage and effectiveness of this attack will make me a sad panda.

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Kovaks wrote:

The cooldown is fine with me and i can still get my fix every now and then with a choppa or 2 in my group.

I just wouldnt want to see you take it to badly if the nerf bat hits you to hard.

Not that i wont be in here to post "truth" too

just to help you guys get balanced more in line with all the other tanks.

 

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the IB has been nerfed each patch, and the player base of IB's learn how to adapt. the IB's are not OP, we are just the one of the rare tank classes which are actually finalized. tweaks here and there are bound to happen. And we welcome change. If those changes are balanced that is.

Well so long Gromril... you go back to being useless once again

and really?  Another nerf to our damage?  Another nerf!?  What ever happened to BALANCING things, not just reducing everything so it sits at a lower but still proportional value...

W/E Sword and Board and dropping Challenge at every possible moment it is... thats SOOO much fun...

and if you're going to increase the AP Cost or cooldown on anything just stick to AP cost.  Higher cooldown's on a lot of those abilities would make PVE a lot harder.

The change to gromril plating is bad, it needs to stay as a group ability, the problem lies with how the delve was tripled instead of doubled when absorbs were changed. Lower the value to the 4000-5000 range and leave it as a group buff.

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Fima wrote:

http://img.apexclique.com/files/Wotuznoruk_002.jpg

 

2500 isnt out of the question really

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on paper in the perfect situation it is possible, but in real rvr against people in decent gear its not

and you are using a screenshot that is not even two thirds of the damage you are claiming on a lvl 37 light armor class, come on really now

Wait and see how your aoe was affected before breaking out the pitchforks and torches here; that bullet point is a copy/paste from just about every class preview, not a personal attack on Earthshatter.

IBs are the best tank class in RVR; if the only specific change is Gromril Plating then these global changes won't tip the scales. Gromril will probably end up in the ~5k range self only or ~3.5k group, considering the other comparable tank absorb morales are 7200 self or 4500 group, and those are both 15pt rank 4s.

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Grakka wrote:

Wait and see how your aoe was affected before breaking out the pitchforks and torches here; that bullet point is a copy/paste from just about every class preview, not a personal attack on Earthshatter.

 

IBs are the best tank class in RVR; if the only specific change is Gromril Plating then these global changes won't tip the scales. Gromril will probably end up in the ~5k range self only or ~3.5k group, considering the other comparable tank absorb morales are 7200 self or 4500 group, and those are both 15pt rank 4s.

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I will not mind Gromil going back to its original vale, but slightly buffed. So a 3-4k group asorb would be nice, but the idea of a self absorb verse a group asorb goes against everything a tank class should be.