I'm going to guess game wide reductions in AoE damage is about to hit hard in 1.3

Wouldn't be surprised if mdps reigns supreme afterwards.

This:

Bonus damage from Strength will now have a much greater effect on abilities with high base damage, but a reduced effect on abilities with low base damage.

has me most concerned but gotta test stuff again to see what is the  real result.

All KotBS abilities are low delve - high str contribution thus allowing similar but lower damage to IB's ect. I fear with these changes that the disparity between the incredibly high delve IB abilities and low delve Knight abilities will only increase.

As of now, these are only fears ... we shall see! 

But to me Druin, the Knight seems to be made for S/S play, while the other 2 tanks seem encouraged to be 2h. Look at the tactics (+10% dmg w/ GW) and abilities (50% parry/disrupt, 4s kd, etc)...

What's the Knight get? A single ability (with a newly reduced range) on a 10s cool down.

Hardly enticing. Although it does bring up the issue that there would have been people who rolled a Knight for 2h play, and are now being really pushed away from it.

Why would any knight want a 2 hander.

You lose 35 block if you have a good shield you lose shield block so another 10 block.

You gain a tiny bit more dps, and arc swing. We dont even get any 2 hander tactics its a huge waste to use one.

Yep. They have fixed what they have wanted to fix (the main issue at hand, AoE abilities), yet the Knight and Chosen still have to deal with a painful aura system. I really wish they would put something SIMILAR in, but without as much time mashing the Twister button and more time actually FIGHTING.

Harsh, but true. I know that their vision for the Knight was a battlefield commander, well I'm feeling this mechanic is more of a buffbot type. I know they can make something more interesting than this.

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Mithras wrote:

I know that their vision for the Knight was a battlefield commander, well I'm feeling this mechanic is more of a buffbot type.

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We have a winner!

Druin man, it's up to you to lead us through 1.3 like Moses led the people through the wilderness.  I modeled my pitiful 40/26 knight after your conquest/glory setup, and I've loved every minute of it.  It's the only spec that I've actually liked, and if it gets nerfed to dust it will really suck.

Don't doubt your abilities.  I know you have the skills to write the definitive guide on the KotBS.  Heck, I know your spec is the best b/c I took out a rr 59 BO in full dark promise gear 1 v 1 using a watered down version of it.  I'd like to see a sword and board vigilance specced knight do that.

I can kill anything in vigi/glory spec except very good DOks...  But his spec should be better just all out assualt is going to

be garbage.

It kinda sucks the radius was nerfed some, But then again the people I really want to hit, are in that radius anyway ;o)

I'm willing to accept slight nerfs if we never have to talk about how much a stat contributes to each ability individually.   Hooray!

Truth in advertising is important.    I want the ability to do the damage listed with the stat bonus and weapon bonus listed on the tooltips, and I am hopeful that's what we are getting.

Sounds like a lot of Knight nerfs.

Almost every ability we have is low delve, lowering our str contribution will suck.  Glad I've been playing my BW lately.

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Constrictor wrote:

Sounds like a lot of Knight nerfs.

 

Almost every ability we have is low delve, lowering our str contribution will suck.  Glad I've been playing my BW lately.

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OYG - nerfed

SotS - nerfed

ALL AoE's - damage and range, going to be nerfed

This seems to pretty much kill this toon?  I mean, that's what we do?  So we become a weak IB with no real benefit to be in a 6man group.  You say, " but our aura's !",  please,  when did a group EVER say, "omg, we MUST have a KotBS for the aura's..."

What's the reasoning for this Big AoE change anyways?   From what I see,  everything in RvR is pretty close to being even. 

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Xess wrote:

OYG - nerfed

SotS - nerfed

ALL AoE's - damage and range, going to be nerfed

 

This seems to pretty much kill this toon?  I mean, that's what we do?  So we become a weak IB with no real benefit to be in a 6man group.  You say, " but our aura's !",  please,  when did a group EVER say, "omg, we MUST have a KotBS for the aura's..."

 

What's the reasoning for this Big AoE change anyways?   From what I see,  everything in RvR is pretty close to being even. 

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I think, and I'm probably wrong, since AoE is/was sort of ridiculous, mostly in the areas of Choppa/Slayer, BW/Sorc, and Magus/Eng, they lumped everyone into the "AoE is OP" group and nerfed 'em all. I for one think every AoE the Knight has is so damned OP what with AoA critting for 1k damage a tick and Heaven's Fury bugging with a 10 second KD......oh wait.

Truth be told, Knight AoE is fine.

Oh, and btw, changes are made to us that are uncalled for, yet we express our hatred for twisting every day and our cries go ignored. *sigh*

They day someone complains to me that all out assault is op.  Or someone says a knights all out assault whiped my group I would be ok with the nerf, but its all ready a semi bad skill and now making it worse.

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Tsaka wrote:

They day someone complains to me that all out assault is op.  Or someone says a knights all out assault whiped my group I would be ok with the nerf, but its all ready a semi bad skill and now making it worse.

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Yeah it's like I said earlier and like I've seen in other posts. People cried AoE was OP, and hey, I'd agree that some of it was. But, Mythic for some reason took it as "All AoE is OP". Knight AoE is at best, fine, but I'd lean more towards the side of underpowered. I'm not saying it should've been on par with DPS class AoE, but it shouldn't be so bad that it's laughable.

When i can pull 400k in a scenario using mostly AoE's as a Kotbs.   They are are just as over powered as the rest of the AoE's in the game.  They simply hit to many targets, and way to many unintended targets as well due to their long range.

Is decreasing AoE range a nerf? if you ask me no.  Straight damage output is going to increase (Atleast if you stack STR).  So even though, right now i can do alittle damage to lots and lotsa peolpe, after the patch im going to beable to do more/high damage to intended targets intead of everyone.

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Celevra wrote:

When i can pull 400k in a scenario using mostly AoE's as a Kotbs.   They are are just as over powered as the rest of the AoE's in the game.  They simply hit to many targets, and way to many unintended targets as well due to their long range.

 

Is decreasing AoE range a nerf? if you ask me no.  Straight damage output is going to increase (Atleast if you stack STR).  So even though, right now i can do alittle damage to lots and lotsa peolpe, after the patch im going to beable to do more/high damage to intended targets intead of everyone.

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How is striaght output increasing? They said that low delve abilities will get a reduction in damage. We use low delve abilities.

It sounds to me that they're nerfing both our AE and single target output.

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Xess wrote:

OYG - nerfed

SotS - nerfed

ALL AoE's - damage and range, going to be nerfed

 

This seems to pretty much kill this toon?  I mean, that's what we do?  So we become a weak IB with no real benefit to be in a 6man group.  You say, " but our aura's !",  please,  when did a group EVER say, "omg, we MUST have a KotBS for the aura's..."

 

What's the reasoning for this Big AoE change anyways?   From what I see,  everything in RvR is pretty close to being even. 

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Pretty much every 6 man that runs a BW has said "We need a KOTBS"

We provide a whole lot to the group, Frankly we're one of if not the best group tank in the game.