With the release of Patch 1.2.1, a new "token" system was integrated into the game so that players would have a more reliable way to get the special gold armor set pieces when they aren't lucky enough to win a piece at a Keep take or at a PQ. Let's look at the "token" system.

How Many Medallions Do I Need?

Under the new medallion/crest system, the costs of gold pieces of armor are:

(Recruit) Tier 1 / Decimator Set / Recuit Quartermaster
Decimator Chest Piece - 50 Recuit Medallions
Decimator Feet Piece - 15 Recuit Medallions

(Scout) Tier 2 / Obliterator Set / Scout Quartermaster
Obliterator Chest - 125 Scout Medallions
Obliterator Feet - 50 Scout Medallions
Obliterator Gloves - 50 Scout Medallions

(Soldier) Tier 3 / Devastator Set / Solider Quartermaster
Devastator Chest -165 Soldier Medallions
Devastator Helmet -  135 Soldier Medallions
Devastator Shoulders - 135 Soldier Medallions
Devastator Gloves - 65 Soldier Medallions
Devastator Feet - 65 Soldier Medallions

(Officer) Tier 4 / Annihilator & Conqueror Set / Officer Quartermaster
Annihilator Chest - 350 Officer Medallions
Annihilator Helmet - 250 Officer Medallions
Annihilator Shoulders - 250 Officer Medallions
Annihilator Feet - 225 Officer Medallions
Annihilator Gloves - 225 Officer Medallions

Conqueror Chest - 500 Officer Medallions & 30 Conqueror's Crests
Conqueror Helmet - 475 Officer Medallions 20 Conqueror's Crests
Conqueror Shoulders - 475 Officer Medallions 20 Conqueror's Crests
Conqueror Feet - 400 Officer Medallions 20 Conqueror's Crests
Conqueror Gloves - 400 Officer Medallions 20 Conqueror's Crests
Conqueror Belt -  375 Officer Medallions 15 Conqueror's Crests

How Many Times Do I Have To Take A Keep?

If you participate in a Keep capture but don't win a bag, you automatically receive a 2 Medallions, depending on what Tier you are in.Adding up how much the entire set in each tier cost, you can say a player will have to take a keep the following amount of times in order to get a full set.

Tier 2

225 Scout Medallions needed

113 Keep Takes

Tier 3

565 Soldier Medallions needed

283 Keep Takes

Tier 4

1300 Officer Medallions

650 Keep Takes for Annihiliator Set

2625 Officer Medallions & 125 Conquerer Crests

1313 Keep Takes for Conquerer Set

But you can get medallions other places!

That is right. You can get medallions other places.

If you lock a zone, you get 5 medallions, depending on what tier you are in.

For example, if Player A participates in 80 keep takes and locks 40 zones in Tier 3, that player will have earned:

 

80 keep captures = 160 solider medallions (if they never win a bag)

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40 zone captures = 200 solider medallions

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360 solider medallions

That would be enough medallions for Player A to get his Gloves, Feet, and Shoulders.

That's not even counting the medallions he will receive in random RvR skirmishes!

Let's say Player A participates in 200 random RvR skirmishes.

 

"Enemy Players R21 - R34 players will now have a chance to drop a Solider Medallion on death."

 

So let's say Player A kills 1000 players. 75% of those players drop a Solider Medallion. That's 750 medallions. But Player A is in a Warband, so his group rolls for the Medallions. On average, Player A will get 125 Medallions (750 split 6 ways).

So that is a total of 485 medallions after 80 keep takes, 40 zone locks, and 100 enemy player kills. With that many medallions, Player A could get the Helmet, Shoulders, Gloves, and Feet! He would need 80 more medallions to get the Chest, though.

That's Cool!

No, no, it's not. It's really not cool that a player has to participate in an outragous amount of RvR activity to earn all the pieces of the set in their tier. It only gets worse as you get into Tier 4.

Should any player have to participate in over 100 keep takes, over 50 zone locks, and kill over 1000 players to earn 5 pieces of armor?

If each keep capture takes 15 minutes, that player will have to spend 25 hours just capturing keeps.

Since the game doesn't have infinite keeps to take, the most keeps a player could take would be 6 before they would have to wait for other players to retake the keeps.

I made this post to illustrate the extreme costs of these items.

But there are alternate ways to get these items besides buying them, right? The loot rolling and random drops still exist don't they?

Even so, I thought, from the original forum post by the devs, the items mentioned were way too expensive. This is an excellent post which outlines it for us.

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Norzin wrote:

But there are alternate ways to get these items besides buying them, right? The loot rolling and random drops still exist don't they?

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I have to say, you're not taking into account breaking down higher-level stuff, but whatever.

I added all the medallion/crest costs to my Armor Guide for those that need the information.

I was also generous in my speculations. I think, from the testing people have had so far, that 75% of all players do not drop a medallion. Also, it's hard to estimate how long it would take a player to contribute enough to kill 1000 players so he can roll on all the rolls.

Someone would have to spend 4-5 hours a day playing the game to gather enough tokens in Tier 3 or 4 to buy a set in a week or two time. Because they won't be able to take more than 1 or 2 keeps if they just pop on for an hour or two.

How is this system any better than the randomness that is keep/fortress taking? How is a random roll to get a piece of armor different than a random roll to get a medallion that you cash in for a piece of armor. The one difference is that you have to get lucky a lot more with the medallions than you do with the keep/fortress roll. All you need for the keep/fortress roll is one lucky roll and you get the piece.

I have no problem with making Tier 4 pieces hard to get. You're actually going to keep those and use them for along time. But to make Tier 2/3 pieces almost as hard, when you know your going to toss them when you gain a few more levels is just stupid in my opinion.

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Kashak wrote:

Correct. Much like a politician the opening post completely ignores that the token system is meant to supplememnt the current MAIN system. You would be expected to buy 1-3 peices using tokens and get the rest the normal way.

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This. No matter what is given to them. People are never happy enough.

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MattRiddle wrote:

 

Someone would have to spend 4-5 hours a day playing the game to gather enough tokens in Tier 3 or 4 to buy a set in a week or two time. Because they won't be able to take more than 1 or 2 keeps if they just pop on for an hour or two.

 

How is this system any better than the randomness that is keep/fortress taking? How is a random roll to get a piece of armor different than a random roll to get a medallion that you cash in for a piece of armor. The one difference is that you have to get lucky a lot more with the medallions than you do with the keep/fortress roll. All you need for the keep/fortress roll is one lucky roll and you get the piece.

 

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The token system isn't supposed to be BETTER than the old system, it's supposed to be ALONG WITH the old system.  So you still ahve a chance to loot items both ways.

Regardless, you seem to think that the RvR armor is the only armor in the game.  There are other armor sets you can obtain, especially in T2 and T3 and some are very easy to get quickly.

yessss.... but they aren't as good.  The cost needs to be severly lowered for tier 1-3 if this is going to be the ONLY way of aquiring set piecies.  By the time you get enough tokens, you are going to be overleveled and into the next tier.  Not to mention, i dont bieleve the piecies themselves are actually getting better, just the amount of time required to get them is substantially increased.

They should have kept tier 1-3 the same, and made this change only for tier 4.  Please lower tier 1-3 prices, mythic!

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Ralai wrote:

yessss.... but they aren't as good.  The cost needs to be severly lowered for tier 1-3 if this is going to be the ONLY way of aquiring set piecies.  By the time you get enough tokens, you are going to be overleveled and into the next tier.  Not to mention, i dont bieleve the piecies themselves are actually getting better, just the amount of time required to get them is substantially increased.

 

They should have kept tier 1-3 the same, and made this change only for tier 4.  Please lower tier 1-3 prices, mythic!

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Are we talking about the same thing?  How did the time to get the pieces increase?  I have alts in all the lower tiers and now is the only time I've even considered trying to get the RvR pieces since it's so easy.  Spend a bit of time actually playing and getting the tokens and then revisit your statements I think.

As to outleveling your gear, well, duh.  You're in lower tiers.  If you look at the levels of the sets, you'll see that they are spread out so there's different sets you can be wearing at different levels if you want to keep the level matched.  However, once you reach T3, the bonuses are worth wearing the armor way past its normal level in a lot of cases.  Take a solid look at my armor guide and truly check the bonuses out.  Believe me, I've spent a lot of time reviewing the sets in this game, until you hit T3, having a full set is nice, but nothing to really work for.

The token costs of the armor are excessive. I'll rephrase that. The cost in officer medallions is excessive. There is no need to change the costs of the conqueror/invader/warlord crests.

All sets should have the officer token cost dropped to 10% of what it currently is.

The only thing I head people saying last night was 'Great system but it is only going to take me 2 years to get all my annihilator gear this way'. This is ToA all over again in a different game. Don't be surprised if even more people quit when they realise that have to participate in an average of 1350 keep takes to complete their annihilator gear.

Most people I know were looking forward to the token system. What they have instead is a grind that puts ToA to shame.

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Gaarawarr wrote:

 

Are we talking about the same thing?  How did the time to get the pieces increase?  I have alts in all the lower tiers and now is the only time I've even considered trying to get the RvR pieces since it's so easy.  Spend a bit of time actually playing and getting the tokens and then revisit your statements I think.

 

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  I am with Gaar on this, your statement that the time to get them has increased is something straight out of Bizzarro World.  As has been said, this isn't a NEW system to obtain the pieces, it is a system to supplement the existing contribution system, so that MORE people actually can get the items. 

  What Gaar says here, about spending time actually getting them and revisiting your statement is also, spot on. 

Many, many people simply never had a chance to get the sets, or even some of the pieces...this expansion on acquiring the items is going to ensure that more, if not all are able to get them.  The tokens drop from all RvR action, and on my server last night the action had easily doubled from the day prior to 1.2.1 tokens dropping all over the place.

   If the system needs to be adjusted, I am sure it will be...but imo after just 5 hours of play, I am going to say it seems just about right.

/cheers

Ok, so maybe I'm doing something wrong, but.... I was playing my T2 Black Orc earlier today and played for about 3-4 hours. We were doing keep takes and BO captures. I finished today's session with 12 medallions. Yes, only 12 medallions! So, by that math, it's going to to take me over 50 hours of RVR to earn my T2 armor set.

Am I doing something wrong? I wasn't getting lucky on all the medallion rolls, so killing Order wasn't helping me out. I agree with the poster that said that before you only had to get lucky once to get an armor piece, now you have to get lucky a hundred times.

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Fibluk wrote:

Ok, so maybe I'm doing something wrong, but.... I was playing my T2 Black Orc earlier today and played for about 3-4 hours. We were doing keep takes and BO captures. I finished today's session with 12 medallions. Yes, only 12 medallions! So, by that math, it's going to to take me over 50 hours of RVR to earn my T2 armor set.

 

Am I doing something wrong? I wasn't getting lucky on all the medallion rolls, so killing Order wasn't helping me out. I agree with the poster that said that before you only had to get lucky once to get an armor piece, now you have to get lucky a hundred times.

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Ifall you're trying to do is kill order and not lock the zones, then you're not going to earn much.  The real rewards come from capturing the Keeps and BOs and holding them to capture the zone itself.  The looted versions are just bonuses.

As for when to start worrying about your armor sets, T3.  Anything before that and the bonus isn't worth the time spent.  Check my Armor Guide for full listings of sets, effects and token costs.

I agree that the costs are WAY to hihj

but the is something your missing

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you would have to be REALLY unlucky not to get your set in 1350 keep takes

Personally, I think Mythic needed to implement the tokens dropped from players the same way they did with the seals from DAoC... aka Round Robin looting without rolling.

A warband forms and starts killing players.  The first token to drop goes to the first player in the warband.  The second drop goes to the next player, the next token goes to the next after, and so on.  Once the last player gets his token, it starts over from the top.

All without loot roll windows popping up in your face, or having to roll against 23 other people.  Up the drop rate from players to say 50% and it should be good.

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Karuma wrote:
I did nothing but pvp on my shaman from level 1 to level 12 and gathered a grand total of 17 medallions out of the 50 I would need for the level 8 chest piece alone. It doesn't complement the current system if you're far outleveling the rewards before you can even buy them.

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In my opinion the system is fine except for the drop rate of the tokens, i know that Mythic did this because they don't whant this system to replace the old one but the prices are excesive aniway, i mean, to me it was obvious that Sovereign, Warlord, Invader etc would cost an incredible amount of money but the costs for low tier stuff is just stupid. Besides, even assuming that every player you kill would give you a token there's no guarantee that you would get the ones you need, you could be in T4 and beat someone like me with low RR and get a scout medallion. Imo, the costs for low tier RR sets should be lowered, Sovereign, Warlord and Invader are fine, and the drop rate on common tokens(not crests) should be increased. 

Also, what's the deal with this "you get tokens for capturing BOs" that i keep hearing about? I don't remember seeing a single token drop for me in a BO capture. Aniway, all in all, i think the System is awesome, it just needs some minor fixxing so it's viable, right now it doesn't replace the old system, but it's not worth it either, besides, RR sets already require renown so the Token system CAN'T replace the old one.