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Lemmywinks wrote:
Sorry, was somewhat unrelated i just cant stop lol'ing at those nub bw's i always run into who charge up & start casting RoF thinking it'll own everyone in sight. But regardless the pbaoe is 65ft range, 80 if you're a sorc & have lengthening shadows slotted & they can still be silenced, kd'd, kb'd or stunned. If a rdps is getting that close to you its because you let them.

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PBAoE is 30 ft. for BW's.. not sure about Sorc but the annihilate mirror, disastrous cascades, is also 30 ft.

As for lengthening shadows and the ranges you talked about, you are referring to Infernal Wave which is the mirror to Flame Breath.. and only lolsorcs PBAoE with Infernal Wave.  Also Infernal Wave/Flame Breath are cone which is technically still an AoE, but not within the scope of this thread.

The OP is most likely referring to low cooldown / spammable PBAoE such as Scorched Earth..  not sure what Sorc mirror is for this ability. Also the damage for RoF or any AoE for that matter remains unchanged.. still not sure why you are inferring that before 1.2.1 a BW could run into a warband solo and lolfacemelt.

Edit: Now that I look at it Surging Pain is the Sorc mirror to Scorched Earth, even with the tactic though that particular ability isn't getting to 65 ft.

melee wants casters nerfed, casters want melee nerfed and healers want everyone nerfed...

PoS and RoF is mostly useless if there is another caster around. single target spec is worthless, dots are meh at least for sorc. so that's what i use now, pbaoe and the frontal cone aoe. what else are we supposed to do? be a buffbot that provides frozen touch for the leet melee? oh come on. it's not like destro doesn't profit from that. next we should nerf tanks because they can tank too well now that we found out that dps can dps too well

edit: infernal wave isn't bad at all, it catches people that are almost dead and backed off quite often and it's insta cast between DC cooldown. it's decent while one zerg pushes into another

Dude hell ya, nerf everyone buff healz son

Once more sorcs get their guilds hip to this its gonna be brutal on order, the good destro players are already picking it up. Ive seen some bads try it also, but they for get to bring tanks or something.

Another fun one is 3x squig herder moral 4 on the healers lol

On Phoenix Throne every decent order group runs 2 bws and just aoe 5 sec stun and hit anhilate and they win. Ya we could not all stand on each other but the knight of the blazing lighthouse as well as Ibs Aoe snare makes it difficult most of the time. Also just how many scenarios are in tight little spots. Kinda silly

Any other group set up is a joke most of the time, The way most of these groups are reminds me so much of when rift was insta cast and unlimited on a magus. SOOOO Cheezy

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Lemmywinks wrote:
Sorry, was somewhat unrelated i just cant stop lol'ing at those nub bw's i always run into who charge up & start casting RoF thinking it'll own everyone in sight. But regardless the pbaoe is 65ft range, 80 if you're a sorc & have lengthening shadows slotted & they can still be silenced, kd'd, kb'd or stunned. If a rdps is getting that close to you its because you let them.

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Umm.. wrong. PBAOE is 30 feet. 30 if you are a Sorc.

I'm assuming everyone is crying over Scorched earth and the Sorc equivalent. Tough folks. Everyone and their brother was screaming about GTAoE and how it was OP and that kind of damage should only come from PBAoE.

So Bws and Sorcs adapted to the stacking change and suddenly "OMG! Nerf em again!"

Get over it. You know what it takes to stop Scorched earth spamming? Once silence or one disable and don't act like they are hard to get off before you are dead.

You get this changed and you WILL get Choppa/Slayer PBAoE nerfed. Think about that. Think about it hard.

There is NOTHING wrong with PBAoE damage being hard considering the casters.. yes casters.. not melee have to have that damage pay off. They don't have Parry worth a dang.. they don't have block worth a dang and they don't have medium armor. Oh and did I mention that at full combust they are going to be hammering themselves for 750 unmitigatable damage every 2 or three casts. Do Choppa/Slayers hit themselves that hard spamming a point blank attack?

Give the nerf cries a rest already.

And no.. I'm not Conflag spec, I'm Incin(single target)

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Boltinheigmer wrote:

On Phoenix Throne every decent order group runs 2 bws and just aoe 5 sec stun and hit anhilate and they win. Ya we could not all stand on each other but the knight of the blazing lighthouse as well as Ibs Aoe snare makes it difficult most of the time. Also just how many scenarios are in tight little spots. Kinda silly

 

 

 

Any other group set up is a joke most of the time, The way most of these groups are reminds me so much of when rift was insta cast and unlimited on a magus. SOOOO Cheezy

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On any server Destro runs with 2 sorcs and a DoK with the same exact stun and do the exact same thing. See what I did here? Or.. if they don't want the DoK to do it.. any of the other frontliners with a PBAOE disable will work.

The ability is mirrored and don't act like DoKs are rare.

I think the real question is why can a BW charge headfirst into a full WB and walk away?

Guard combined with the current state of OP heals.. thats how. Pretty depressing when you are laying every AoE you have into groups upon groups of people to watch their HP just barely get scratched.

Oh and a quick pro tip: They can debuff the resistance for said ability.

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Zeroe wrote:

Mythic has stated that AEs are intended to break up zergs and displace enemy formations. However this intended AE tactic coupled with massive CC proves too much for non-tanks to cope with. The issue isn't damage, it's the carpet bombing mentality of facerolling CC.

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yep. hear hear! (although the stacking dmg is indeed a bit too high, which a previous poster mentioned)

I think the release of the Slayer / Choppa, and the soft cap on resists is a pretty clear message from Mythic:

SPREAD OUT

Look at your opponents' classes and strategy, and adjust your strategy accordingly.

Don't touch the PBAOE.  As stated earlier in this thread the risk vs reward is there.

If you wear a dress, you should be able to wreak havoc on anybody that gets too close.

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Kwyll73 wrote:
If you don't think aoe in this game is going to get further nerfed you must be smoking something good.  There are only so many changes you can roll into each patch.  Mythic wants enjoyable fights for the casual player.  Regardless of the skill level of players its too easy in this game to kill massive amounts of players with aoe.  Most people aren't very good so l2p really is a meanigless retort.  It will happen.  Seriously if you were a game desginer looking to appeal to the masses and large scale fights would you really want a combination of abilities in your game that could allow for a few players to kill many more times there number by stacking a few abilities at one time. I wouldn't.  The fifty people getting killed by five want throw there comupters out the widow when it happens and they don't want to here some leet dude telling them to l2p as a counter.

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I am, actually, but I think that aoe will probably get nerfed again.  I'm just saying don't do it, at least not to the pbaoe.

Not sure if you're responding to my 'spread out' comment, but if you are: 'spread out' is far from a l2p comment.  People have no trouble figuring out irl that if they touch fire, it hurts.  But in a game, you just have to tell people.  I've said 'spread out' in many pug WB and in /region and people don't seem to have a hard time grasping it - even the ones who appear to be getting used to their controls.

Spread out? Lulz.

EM + BW + PBAoE = you lose, even with a rift premade.

I dont have a problem with the damage, it's the CC and the USELESS IMMUNITY TIMERS, as I literally get chain stunned for 8+ seconds, then rooted, then knocked down, while 600-1000 point ticks above my head stream off, and some BW thinks he has skills from spamming one button (again).

God Mythic is ridiculous stupid. Please put resistances back to where they were and MAKE THE IMMUNITY TIMERS WORK. Jesus Christ. 

And don't forget that WP's still need a good nerf'in.  I'm acutally not kidding.. When it takes 3-8 people to kill ONE WP.. something is really, really, wrong...

I think if they'd just fix the stupid WP's back to managable levels, you'd see better balance across the board.  Most times I see an order group rampaging with no deaths, etc.. its the stupid WP.  You can pile your whole team on him and he prob won't die.  He'll just keep healin while his buddies laugh at you (and kill you) for focusing him.

PBAE should always be strong. If a group revolves around Sorcs or BWs they need to invest most of their effort completely supporting their DPS, potentially leaving the healers open to assault. Thats the weakness of a PBAE Shock group. Start learning when to taunt/interrupt the casters when they use their abilities and you wont keep complaining. Interrupts dont have immunity timers remember.

Is anyone else tired of Firecrow just ignoring reason and foaming at the mouth anytime somebody says Bright Wizards are OP?

We get it man, you don't want to be nerfed...

Too bad.

PBAoE is the new Cookie Cutter spec, and it's OP with how much healing a premade can stack, the BW never dies, even with focus fire, and the Melee cant kill them, cause they due to the PBAoE. Nerf this hard.

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Thoroar wrote:

Is anyone else tired of Firecrow just ignoring reason and foaming at the mouth anytime somebody says Bright Wizards are OP?

 

We get it man, you don't want to be nerfed...

 

Too bad.

 

PBAoE is the new Cookie Cutter spec, and it's OP with how much healing a premade can stack, the BW never dies, even with focus fire, and the Melee cant kill them, cause they due to the PBAoE. Nerf this hard.

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You have to be kidding me. The last round of complaints were all about how we could aoe without while being out of sight. The new improved complaint is that we can run right up in front of people and aoe? A squishy goes running into the melee ball and this is a problem? Please, you are a horrible player apparently. L2P.

Yeah, spread out.  Yes, in T4.  Just to clarify, I mean in the lakes.  Close quarters, the real issue comes to surface, which Vilehakk hit on the head:  broken immunity timers and chain CC.

NOT THE DAMAGE

My beef here is that people cry nerf when they get owned, instead of trying another approach.

BTW, Vilehakk, how many EM Engineers do you see in T4?  I can't recall I've seen any beyond screenshots, but maybe that's just Dark Crag.  Rift on the other hand, I see all over the place.

Vilehakk wrote:

Spread out? Lulz.

 

EM + BW + PBAoE = you lose, even with a rift premade.

 

I dont have a problem with the damage, it's the CC and the USELESS IMMUNITY TIMERS, as I literally get chain stunned for 8+ seconds, then rooted, then knocked down, while 600-1000 point ticks above my head stream off, and some BW thinks he has skills from spamming one button (again).

 

God Mythic is ridiculous stupid. Please put resistances back to where they were and MAKE THE IMMUNITY TIMERS WORK. Jesus Christ. 

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FeralMonkey wrote:

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Thoroar wrote:

Is anyone else tired of Firecrow just ignoring reason and foaming at the mouth anytime somebody says Bright Wizards are OP?

 

We get it man, you don't want to be nerfed...

 

Too bad.

 

PBAoE is the new Cookie Cutter spec, and it's OP with how much healing a premade can stack, the BW never dies, even with focus fire, and the Melee cant kill them, cause they due to the PBAoE. Nerf this hard.

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You have to be kidding me. The last round of complaints were all about how we could aoe without while being out of sight. The new improved complaint is that we can run right up in front of people and aoe? A squishy goes running into the melee ball and this is a problem? Please, you are a horrible player apparently. L2P.

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Actually yes it is 100% a problem. A caster running into a waffleing zerg should get face melted INSTANTLY. Now why aren't they? You will probably try to say "Oh geez L2P zomg focus thems downs!". Overpowered healers are why this is a problem. BWs have been for the most part put where they need to be besides a few more tweaks.

There is no way in hell any caster character BW or not should be able to withstand being beat on by as many people as they do now, it is just asinine. You all know it too.

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Thoroar wrote:

Is anyone else tired of Firecrow just ignoring reason and foaming at the mouth anytime somebody says Bright Wizards are OP?

 

We get it man, you don't want to be nerfed...

 

Too bad.

 

PBAoE is the new Cookie Cutter spec, and it's OP with how much healing a premade can stack, the BW never dies, even with focus fire, and the Melee cant kill them, cause they due to the PBAoE. Nerf this hard.

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Wow man.. reading comprehension. I'm Incin spec. SINGLE target spec.

As to ignoring reason.. Uh... how about you stop ignoring reason? You guys complained and complained and complained about the fact that AoEs should put the caster in risk from the enemy. So... we adapt to the GTAOE stacking change and start using other forms and NOW you complain because BWs/Sorcs put themselves in danger to AoE... and you think the casters are unreasonable? LOL.

If you can't kill a BW/Sorc in melee range you really need to evaluate how well you know your class and even why you are playing a PvP game.

Oh.. and foaming at the mouth? Nice personal attack.

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Lolmagus wrote:

I think the real question is why can a BW charge headfirst into a full WB and walk away?

 

Guard combined with the current state of OP heals.. thats how. Pretty depressing when you are laying every AoE you have into groups upon groups of people to watch their HP just barely get scratched.

 

Oh and a quick pro tip: They can debuff the resistance for said ability.

Message Edited by Lolmagus on 04-27-2009 11:01 AM

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Uh.. LOl... Sorcs can do it too. Chosen guard + OP heals.

People are complaining about spammed Scorched earth which is elemental.

Boiling Blood SINGLE TARGET debuffs corp and is on a cooldown so it can't be spammed and, yes, that works for Annihilate but that is a 3 second channeled spell with a 5 second cooldown which means it isn't being spammed. If your WB can't kill a BW that is hitting himself for 750 more often than not after each cast of Scorched earth... wow.. just... wow.

How about your Mara's pay attention to what is coming at the front lines and drop their ridiculous range 65' knockdown to stop the BW? What? Immunity timers?? But they don't work.. right? Sorry you can't have it both ways even though you want to.

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Firecrow wrote:

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Lolmagus wrote:

I think the real question is why can a BW charge headfirst into a full WB and walk away?

 

Guard combined with the current state of OP heals.. thats how. Pretty depressing when you are laying every AoE you have into groups upon groups of people to watch their HP just barely get scratched.

 

Oh and a quick pro tip: They can debuff the resistance for said ability.

Message Edited by Lolmagus on 04-27-2009 11:01 AM

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Uh.. LOl... Sorcs can do it too. Chosen guard + OP heals.

 

People are complaining about spammed Scorched earth which is elemental.

 

Boiling Blood SINGLE TARGET debuffs corp and is on a cooldown so it can't be spammed and, yes, that works for Annihilate but that is a 3 second channeled spell with a 5 second cooldown which means it isn't being spammed. If your WB can't kill a BW that is hitting himself for 750 more often than not after each cast of Scorched earth... wow.. just... wow.

 

How about your Mara's pay attention to what is coming at the front lines and drop their ridiculous range 65' knockdown to stop the BW? What? Immunity timers?? But they don't work.. right? Sorry you can't have it both ways even though you want to.

 

 

Message Edited by Firecrow on 04-27-2009 04:12 PM

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Yeah and 2 people can stab eachother in the face..doesn't make it right.

Neither side should be able to keep cloth wearing casers even semi-alive in the middle of a warband period.

Oh man and you just owned yourself.. go back and look at the tool tip for Scorched Earth... I have $50 on it being CORP. See? BWs don't even know their own waffleing class.