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Lenni wrote:

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Grim wrote:

 

Lol if you think WAR isn't competing with WoW then you truly are out of touch. No point in discussing it then I agree.

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Is it competing wit WoW for customers?  Clearly yes.  Is it aimed at, or does EA/Mythic have a business plan for it to knock WoW off the top of the mountain? Clearly not.  It was never billed as a WoW killer, anywhere, ever.

 

 

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I agree. Every mmo is competing with WoW and all the other mmo's for customers.

Mythic probably hoped it would dent WoW. Anyone in their position would have liked to do that but they did not expect to or advertise that they would.

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Thuck wrote:

1. BW's get nerfed into oblivion
2. 80% of rank40 BW's reroll a different class
3. Destro zergs run their disorient/disable/resist train into the land of ez-mode
4. Resists get lowered
5. disorient/disables get the nerf bat
6. Destro zerg train heads back to the land of reality
7. BW's rejoice
8. Craploads of rank 40 BWs  start playing again
9. Destro cannot adjust and take flaming showers
10. Destro whines, cries and rage quits

 

Any questions?

 

 

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Actually, that's fantasy.  This will be the reality:

1. Most will go make BW's or Sorc's, if they haven't already.

2. Those who want to be "original" and not follow the new "norm", and don't already play as one, will go and make a WP or DoK to keep the BW's and Sorc's alive.

3. Anyone not playing one of the above classes will eventually quit playing, due to being killed over and over by roaming bands of 4-5 BW's/Sorc's and 1 or 2 WP's or DoK's.

4. Everyone playing the above classes will get so bored, that they will quit playing.

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Grim wrote:

Just delete CC  from the game. Sounds drastic? Perhaps but think about it, the reason WAR has been so unpopular is because Mythic was never able to make it work.

 

The game would be fun for everyone if CC didn't exist.

 

The other option is to make CC catch everyone, even your own realm. Then CC classes would actually have to get some skill.

Message Edited by Grim on 03-12-2009 08:27 AM

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Fixed?

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Tearlock wrote:

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Grim wrote:

Just delete CC  from the game. Sounds drastic? Perhaps but think about it, the reason WAR has been so unpopular is because Mythic was never able to make it work.

 

The game would be fun for everyone if CC didn't exist.

 

The other option is to make CC catch everyone, even your own realm. Then CC classes would actually have to get some skill.

Message Edited by Grim on 03-12-2009 08:27 AM

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Fixed?

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lol. works for me

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Helfenis wrote:

Actually, that's fantasy.  This will be the reality:

 

1. Most will go make BW's or Sorc's, if they haven't already.

2. Those who want to be "original" and not follow the new "norm", and don't already play as one, will go and make a WP or DoK to keep the BW's and Sorc's alive.

3. Anyone not playing one of the above classes will eventually quit playing, due to being killed over and over by roaming bands of 4-5 BW's/Sorc's and 1 or 2 WP's or DoK's.

4. Everyone playing the above classes will get so bored, that they will quit playing.

 

 

Message Edited by Helfenis on 03-12-2009 05:53 PM

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Some people gravitate to the overpowered setups but in most cases people just quit rather than be farmed.  Or they don't cry and roll with it.  Since it took so long to nerf WEs all we have left is the roll with it crowd so i don't see pop reduction inc.

I personally rarely ever attended a keep fight because even before the last patch it was fairly impossible to take a defended keep.  The only difference now is that tanks are dying like everyone else.   But outside of a keep and setting aside magus/engineer setups, casters are still fodder.  The single target specs are to weak to be of much use unless 3+ casters assist.  

Personally, I think AE damage should stack but non-linearly.  Each caster should be credited for the average damage in a stacking area for RP purposes but the total damage should scale so that each additional caster adds fractional damage overall.

But then, I think since we have collision detection we should also make it so that tanks on an assist train that use styles with side animations deal their damage to any tank in the way of the blow.  Or to keep it simple, apply the same AE reduction i describe above to every tank attacking a single target. 

For every complaint by tanks in a keep, there is a caster crying about being assist railed by tanks.  The only difference is that people playing tanks have had it ezmode compared to casters.  Give it a month and tanks will get used to it much like casters have.

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Tearlock wrote:

 

Some people gravitate to the overpowered setups but in most cases people just quit rather than be farmed.  Or they don't cry and roll with it.  Since it took so long to nerf WEs all we have left is the roll with it crowd so i don't see pop reduction inc.

 

I personally rarely ever attended a keep fight because even before the last patch it was fairly impossible to take a defended keep.  The only difference now is that tanks are dying like everyone else.   But outside of a keep and setting aside magus/engineer setups, casters are still fodder.  The single target specs are to weak to be of much use unless 3+ casters assist.  

 

Personally, I think AE damage should stack but non-linearly.  Each caster should be credited for the average damage in a stacking area for RP purposes but the total damage should scale so that each additional caster adds fractional damage overall.

 

But then, I think since we have collision detection we should also make it so that tanks on an assist train that use styles with side animations deal their damage to any tank in the way of the blow.  Or to keep it simple, apply the same AE reduction i describe above to every tank attacking a single target. 

 

For every complaint by tanks in a keep, there is a caster crying about being assist railed by tanks.  The only difference is that people playing tanks have had it ezmode compared to casters.  Give it a month and tanks will get used to it much like casters have.

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Yeah, I'm willing to give it time.  I have two months left on my paid time, so I'm not in any rush to run away from the game.  However, something tells me that Mythic will most likely end making some type of change regarding all of this hooplah.

That being said, it was rather funny to (just for curiosity) go roll a new order character on a randomly-picked server, and after logging in, see 6 other character's in view.  5 of them being BW's, and one being a WH.  Could have just been a fluke ... but, nevertheless, still amusing to see (for now.)

I find it amusing that people complain about actually getting killed by 4-5 BW's all nuking them at the same time.

Its 5 dps classes people if any class has 5 dps on it its going to die fast regardless of heals. 5 WE's on a IB and guess what hes going to drop.....5 Marauders all aoe'n the same spot will kill people too.

People wont be happy till i take 10 BW's to kill them then when one BW is runing around by himself he will be able to tickle destro for about 100 damage a tick.

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Thorien wrote:
BW LoS got fixed. I can't cast RoF anywhere I can't see. But I will admit I use clever camera tricks to help me drop it where I can. But these are not exploits or bugs.

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Well, I guess Dev, you know, the guys that design the game, disagree with you there... "not an exploits" ... haaaaahahahaaha...

 

I also found it interesting Dev's saying, the whole damage destruction of a wb shouldn't be happening at all, like it was in that video, regardless of the exploit. 

 

Fascinating.

What people don't understand in the long run...  None of this matters.  The Nerf Bat will be applied to the BW - but then Mythic will counter it with lowering resists again or something.  Something subtle that will trick order for about a week and then everyone will complain again. 

Look at the INTRO movie of the game.  It's biased there too.  Squig herder goes into battle - just about to maybe hurt an Engineer (ha good luck).  Snap! a BW destroys the Squig with a finger snap.  BW gets a Marauder arm through the chest.

Next Scene - Marauder vs a Shadow Warrior.  Who wins?  The Shadow Warrior - she chops all his appendages off and then shoots him in the eye holes...  Next Scene a Sorc comes around and freezes the Shadow Warrior and kills a few non essentials (yellow shirts?) and then a horn blows..

The Squig Herder gets an arrow in the head.

SO After all this - we have Destro Lord and a Dragon (or whatever) - and guess what ALL three of the Order toons are alive and well, ready to do battle....  Watch the movie - and think to yourself hmm i should play destruction right???  No you think G#$DA#N im gonna play me some Order cuz they rule. 

I ask Mythic to publish a list of their employees that are playing the game..  Show us how many are playing destruction and how many are playing order.  Then show us the levels and the character they play. Hide the name I don't care - i wanna see screenshots.

I don't believe Mythic plays this game...  I also believe that if they play the game they play Order more so than Destruction.  I have switched - i have played both order and destruction. 

In an organized Destruction group I get destroyed.  In PUG on Order I destroy.  This is my personal experience and may not be the "typical" game experience.

I'm going to go play Hello Kitty Online - because im a waffle and i think that Hello Kitty Online actually has more thought into it than this game.  Throwing spaghetti and hoping something sticks (welcome to big business USA) SUCKS.  I'm not going to beta test for Mythic anymore.

Here's my message - all the people that play Order - STFU.  You pushed the EASY button.  Bunch of FF's in my opinion.  I hope Mythic wakes up and realizes they are alienating people and making this game one of the most damaged and unfun one's to date.

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Thorien wrote:
BW LoS got fixed. I can't cast RoF anywhere I can't see. But I will admit I use clever camera tricks to help me drop it where I can. But these are not exploits or bugs.

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Nope, because I can get character ( First person) LoS on it too. I can first person peek around a crenellation on a keep wall and drop it.

I dont think any GTAE should require LoS to cast. We had one in DAOC that didn't and that work just fine. Still if Mythic comes back and says it has to have FP LoS, i'll adjust.

Do pets require FP LoS?

Well something is waffle strange..

1) Loction I die. Notice the rock in front, a BW is hiding there RoFing

http://i42.tinypic.com/30kvq0w.jpg

2) Some ppl noticed him and killed him notice the location and distance

http://i42.tinypic.com/nwlnh4.jpg

3) Take a look at the combat logs... I have not idea how the can place the waffle RoF at my location.

http://i41.tinypic.com/55gges.jpg

And during a Fort siege 1/2 of us got instgib by RoF from Below the Lords room (>....> The last thing I remember is seeing a BW rush up to the Tank Wall, cast RoF and then everyone died. The best part is, only his RoF dmg is on my logs. And the dmg done is not even up till 2k.

Appearanly thats some other way of using the GtAoE, like target Assist? I clueless currently and the BWs know something and they ain;t telling.

Please post the actual logs. From the Screenshots I cant tell if this is pre or post 1.2.  If this just happened, its a bug. The GT should not be able to target a spot above your head. I have seen a lot of "floating" Purple puddles too.

These bugs need to be fixed. No one disputes that. 

 The pics are taken leass then 6 hours ago...

1 way I guess is look at the Wildfire dmg that killed me.

O ya more fun with getting killed (>....> At Oil level of Fort

Well I getting kill in the MAW fort. tons of RoF raining on us a few of us tried to so out and try and stop Order but die (>...> WTH is Fireyblast? Notice where my Target is the "red () "

http://i42.tinypic.com/205yxh.jpg

Ok I died a few more time due to instagib. Ouch how the hell I can even get hit with RoF when I'm standing here (>...<

http://i40.tinypic.com/2qsas29.jpg

NOOoooo!!! Not even Naplam!!! (>.....< waffle you Engineers you guys using Airstrikes or something?